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Both really do look awesome, I think its hard to call.

Would of been better if you used the same car though.

Welldone guys :)

Hooded Vendetta

how can you compare those, there pictures of a 20" tv from 10 feet away. You can't tell shit from those screens. Get some direct feed and you'll have a real story.

The only difference I can see is the last screen with a close-up of the whole exterior. the 350Z in Forza looks slightly boxy, but still good, but the R35 in GT5 looks smoother and slightly more realistic. The Skyline's even got a car bra! And I agree with Anonymous, you can't really tell the difference with those shots, you're better off using screenshots taken from the game rather than a TV from a distance.

one on the left EASY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

GT has Forza beat on the car detail. Forza has GT beat on the track detail.

To the Moron above... That's a sizable TV -- definitely big enough to take a picture of. I agree with the last poster. Cars are better in GT, but track details are better in Forza.

The dynamic range in the shadows of the PS3 screens is terrible. They go from bright to black almost instantly. All the trees on the left of the track look black. Not realistic at all. I'm not sure if it couldn't handle it or if the programming is the problem. On the other hand, the car looks a little smoother on the PS3 than the 360. Is the 360 upsampling a smaller resolution image the way it did with Halo 3 or is the AA just weak?

Forza 2 has problems with anti aliasing-namely the lack of, alot of the times the cars aren't the smoothest models. GT easily has it beat there, but Forza's cars do take quite alot of damage. Forza came up alot better side by side then I thought it would.

I think that an important part or racing games is scenery. So GT5.

In addition to this I would also like to point out that in GT5(even if its only prologue)takes advantage of the fact that they have both more power and space, and firmware provided, a faster loading time (7500 rpm HDD)

You see if they play it right...like they ever wouldn't. GT5 will look even better that the screens above. which are very well rounded and nuanced.

It is a hard call and I think both look equally impressive.

Just to be pedantic, I'd say that Forza seems to be utilising HDR and bloom lighting much better than GT5P, as well as presenting greater levels of track detail. The car models in GT5P are more impressive but that's really it. Main thing is: everyone wins. Regardless of which console you own, you'll be getting a stellar vehicle simulation game.

I have the xbox 360 and ps3 I played them both and ps3 blows Forza 2 out of the water playing on a 1080p 42 inch LCD and clearly the ps3 graphics stand out I even had my parents take a look at it and forza though looking good doesent come close levels look more smooth and cars look highly detailed.

"The Skyline's even got a car bra!"

It's not a bra, it's a cover that manufacturers use to hide their concept cars' true looks when they're being road tested. GT5 will have the GT-R with the cover both on and off.

The textures for the ground, both on and off the track, look much more realistic in GT5. Forza's tarmac looks like it's made from tire rubber. The cars also look much better in GT5. Forza's are too rounded, almost cartoony. With both of the games looking this good, though, it's not the graphics that count, but the gameplay.

about the bra, u got that wrong to, you can buy these for most cars they are for stopping stone chips caused by the car in front..

manafactures uselly stick bits of plastick to really hide the shape

the trees on picture #3 looks fuller on the left side

sorry i mean in the 4th pic ..... trees r much bettr than the right side

It looks like Forza just attempts to blind the player as much as possible with excessive BLOOM.

It's interesting how the comments vary so radically from person to person. I'll admit to owning an Xbox 360, but, whenever I see comparison shots I try to look at them from as neutral of a point as possible. It looks to me like Forza 2 has a slight visual edge in this case. They both look VERY good. Forza seems to have a better handle on lighting than GT5 though. Some things look way too dark. As for the cars, they both look VERY nice. There is some slight jagging on the 360 car though. Really, I'd say the differences are negligible. I'd probably pick the Forza series over Gran Turismo because I like the gameplay of Forza more. I don't think I'd take graphics into account in that choice though, they're both great.

To be completely honest, they both look phenomenal. I personally am not buying either as I'm not really into racing sims but from how they look, they look pretty equal. Any difference betwwen the two visually have been implemented intentionally for individuality.

I own both Xbox 360 and PS3. I expanded all images and for the first time the PS3 images are way more realistic than the 360. In the 360 the tracks seems to be a game, but in the PS3 the tracks seems to be real, from a movie. The car in PS3 version is better too. So PS3 wins.
But one import point to look at is the fps. How the fps compare between both?

The screens on the right are jaggier. And the camera is too far away from the TV

As many others have said, the graphics are great in both. To get nitpicky, the left side screens have more realistic looking vegetation--just look at the trees in the 2nd shot and the grass on the hill in the first--and slightly smoother car models. The lighting on the left seems exaggerated, which is a trend in modern games. why, i don't know. Truth be told, however, the screens are going to be moving by damn fast in both games, and I wont be focusing on the lighting OR vegetation in either when I'm trying to avoid a guardrail at 150mph. :)

are we lookin at the same screenshots, gt5 looks superior in every way, looks like a damn photograph, forza looks like a nice next gen game though, "the cars look better in gt5 but courses look better in forza" horse crap!! no hope in hell of betterin gt5, better luck next year after gt5 raises the bar once again,

for HDR quality check 4 on the left with 5 on the right ...

The lighting on the 360 is definitely superior. The PS3 version in comparison has shadows where the 360 has actual detail, especially in the track.

The last picture with the car close up looks slightly better on the PS3 but definitely an arguable point.

It says same camera same this same that but if you look at Forza pics
the screen is at an angle in the pics compared to GT5 pics WHY IS THIS!!!!!! did this make the Forza
pics look better? camera should have been on tripod so position was
exactlly the same!!!!!!!!!!!then
you would have a better comparision.

All in all we'd need better comparison material. Higher resolution shots, comparison of framerates.

Shadows: GT5 has darker, deeper shadows and possibly just one shade while Forza has nice gradiant shadows. Picture four could be bad or good depending, it looks more realistic on the PS3 and more Outrun-esque in Forza, but Forza does show off some nice details there nevertheless.

Car details: More accurate shapes and details in PS3. Forza seems to have slightly overly rounded and cartoon like shapes - but perhaps that's just the cars shown?

Blooming: Way overdone in Forza.

Road: Forza has a nice crispness to the texture but that's pretty much it, all in all it looks like huge rubber chunks. The question is, how does it look in motion? The GT5 road is smoother but also very non descript.

All in all, not bad looking games, let's see how they play.

I can supply high resolution pictures of GT5 in 1080P if someone else gets them for Forza. Of course this means the images will deviate depending on cameras and TV model/settings used.

I own an Xbox 360 and a Playstation 3, and there is no doubt that the Xbox 360 has far greater performance than the Playstation 3. I am actually probably going to sell my Playstation 3, just to have more money for all of the awesome Xbox 360 games about to be released.

I play on a 61" 1080p HDTV set, and there is no doubt that Forza Motorsport 2 is the most impressive Racing game I have ever seen or played.

Also, keep in mind that Forza Motorsport 2 includes features like lots of Physics damage to the vehicles. That is something that Gran Turismo 5 doesn't come close to for the cars. Forza Motorsport to has raised the standard for racing, and even the developer of GT5 has admitted that Forza 2 has a lot more features than the final version of GT5 will offer.

Forza Motorsport 2 is the king of racing!

Graphic Comparison:

Tracks:

The most obvious thing that everyone can easily see is that Forza Motorsport 2 has a lot more polygon detail in the tracks than GT5 has.

The reason for this is obviously because the Xbox 360 can display 500,000,000 polygons per second, compared to only 275,000,000 polygons per second for the Playstation 3.

Cars: The same tracks were used in this comparison, but different cars were used, so we can't make nearly as accurate a comparison. There are two types of Car screens shown, though.

First, in the normal "Playable" driving view on the tracks, the cars look amazing in both games. The level of detail in this point of view favors the Xbox 360 version. Take a look at how shadows always minimize the amount of detail actually seein the PS3 game. On the Xbox 360, the detail of the back of the car is always seen in great detail.

Second, in the "Replay" Non-Playable view, it is a difficult comparison because there is a 15-30 degree difference in the camera angle. At first it may seem that the PS3 version has more detail, but when you look at what is shown the "detail" a lot of it is the reflection from the environment that is seen--from that camera angle. This "replay" screenshot is by far the most difficult comparison, because of that difference in the angle. One thing that is 100% sure is that Forza Motorsport 2 looks better in motion, because Forza 2 has both gameplay and replays that run at 60 frames per second, while GT5 has gameplay that runs at 60 frames per second, but the replays only run at 30 frames per second.

Lighting:

Clearly the Lighting is far superior on the Xbox 360. This is easily seen in the way it affects the tracks, backgrounds, cars, and lens-flare effects.

The texture quality and sharpness of the textures look better in Forza Motorsport 2, as well. In GT5 the Shadows are used as a way to make it seem like polygon detail is not needed. But in Forza Motorsport 2, all the polygon detail is shown in addition to the Shadows that appear in much better looking ways.

Winner:

Forza Motorsport 2 is obviously the clear graphic winner...and from what the developers have said, Forza 2 has more gameplay features, as well.

Also, GT5 likely won't be released until late 2008, or perhaps 2009. by then GT5 may have Forza Motorsport 3 to worry about!

I'm going to go play Forza Motorsport 2 right now!

BUAHAHAHAHA what you said

It's all about how they look in motion, and how they play. You can't tell either from static screnshots.
Good job on the comparison though, I love watching fanboys argue.

Unlike many coments, I see some diferences:

-> Look at the grass of the 3rd photo, the grass on the floor looks close to real on GT5, but in Forza the Grass is patetic.

-> Another cruel difference is the enviromment light, Forza's sunlight is so normal so old games sunlight, aside GT5 it have a sunlight close to photorealism, and the bright shining from the cars is so cool.

You just need a good look at the photos and you will see sublime details that make GT5 prolugue fantastic ;)

I have both the PS3 and 360, the GTHD has far better graphics than Forza.

The forza shots are from the replay.. If you shot the screens from Forza in real time it would look a mess...

No way,Forza wins!

Forza is a final product, Gt5 Prologue demo is a demo of one product in development (GT5 prologue) and this is a 'demo' of a major product GT5, for a comparation will wait until GT5 final!!!

Are they both gameplay? I see no indicators in FM2... By the way: 720p FM2 CANNOT possibly look as good as 1080p GT5. Maths.

GT5 looks better, and this is just a "sampler", probably nowhere near the final product. It's going to be a MUCH better looking game.

Let's hope they can make the physics as good as Forza 2, as they are phenominal and make the game something special.

I'm the biggest Forza 2 fan, I've been slowly but surely working my way through that game. Level 42 at the moment, so a good amount of gameplay left.

Forza2 has the best physics I've ever seen in a racing game, so GT5 knows what it needs to do. As for graphics, I was very disappointed by the Forza2 graphics initially, since the jaggies just hurt so much. Having said that I'd rather have it run smooth at 60fps and have some jaggies, than have it lag a bit.

Overall I'm very pleased with the Forza experience, physics + damage model + decent graphics = great game. GT5 needs to get that combo right, the graphics in those screenshots look good, very smooth lines etc, but how good is the damage model + physics? As a racing fan I look forward to GT5, if they pull off a great game it might just convince me to buy a ps3.

About the car "bra". If you look, they have it on the rear of the car too, so its what the guy says about car manufacturers covering stuff up. Both graphics look excellent, I think its up to the gameplay on this one.

Well as a gamer i really don't care cuz I hate Gran Turismo and I hate Forza Motorsport.... i prefer games like Midnight Club... realistic racing games are really pretty but feel really slow and are so boring in my opinion...

The GT-R is still in prototype stage I think, hence the covers and the lack of the interior view for the car.

After reading some of the more _sane_ comments here I re-played the GT5 demo and have to agree on the lighting problem. Even though it's full daylight it looks like in a bad supernatural movie where some mysterious evil gloom throws an extra layer of darkness over everything. This just has to go before it is released.

GT5 Prologue Demo is a DEMO. This is still an unpolished version for the the Prologue game and further improvement will be made again in GT5 (not Prologue). So the comparison has to be done with that in mind!

Yes GT5 prologue is a demo and it is unpolised, thing is you cant polish a TURD!

Hmmm..I think they both look pretty damn good, but I would prefer the screens on the left as they are asthetically pleasing but not as detailed as the screens on the right, why? We'll when i'm playing a racing game I will not stop to look at how detailed and colorful the foliage is on the track, I'll be too interested in flooring my flashy looking sports car as fast as I can.

So, GT5 for car detail's, Forza for colorful and detailed tracks.

ive got both the gt5 prologue demo and forza 2. the demo blows forza 2 out of the water. the physics of driving are just unbelievable with GT. lets also remember that we are playing the demo of the prologue of the final product and trying to compare that to a final product. gt5 still wins despite that little disadvantage.

Gran Turismo 5 does NOT run at a "true" 1080p resolution of 1920x1080p.

GT5 Prologue works in 1280x1080p, and it repeats 50% of the pixels in the anamorphic picture.

This FACT was discovered by the same guy who found out that Halo 3 was running at 640p resolution (Quaz51).

The BIG difference is that Halo 3 is using a "Dual-Frame" Buffer, which means that the actual resolution can be written as 1280x640pII60fps...which offers performance similar to what you would see on a PC at 1280p resolution from a Single Frame Buffer.

That is why Bungie said in interviews that they easily could have listed 1280p as a resolution for Halo 3 on the Xbox 360, but the Xbox 360 doesn't have a 1280p resolution mode. When you see Halo 3 in 1080p resolution; it looks incredible, just like IGN and other professional reviews describes in great detail!

You can read about this here for proof:

forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=43330&page=24

GT5 demo does not even have a disadvantage of going against Forza 2. Yeah graphics are a bit better in GT5, but Forza 2 has been released for a while now. Wait till Forza 3 gets announced, which is when GT5 gets released.

You guys are comparing GT5 with a game that has been released 1/2 a year or more earlier, Forza 2.

NO NO NO NO NO GT5P.
YES YES YES YES Forza.

Based on the picture comparison above (and I own the XBox 360) I must admit the grass and trees look more realistic on the GT5.

Also it appears the shadows of the trees don't cast correctly on the car in Forza 2 as seen in picture set 4 while in GT5 it looks believable. Also the foliage in general seem a bit artificial in Forza. Overall, the images look more photorealistic in GT5 then Forza 2 which is unfortunate since I have the Xbox 360.

Although this comparison is based on still shots, and I prefer the graphics found in the GT5, I also want realism regarding physics and damage which everything points to the Forza as being superior. Another downside to both games is that neither will allow you to flip a car showing the true result of pushing a car beyond its limits. If realism is the main goal here why is that missing from both?

GT5 has nice looking cars but the difference isn`t that big.
But with track details Forza is winner and same thing with gameplay.

I would definetly choose Forza2 and Xbox360!

I'm running Forza 2 in 1080P over HDMI on my 360 Pro, and it looks great. That said, there are only slight improvements over 720P; less shimmering and aliasing of thin edges/lines, for example.

As good as Forza 2 looks, I fully believe GT5 will look better. However, after years of playing the GT series, I got hooked on Forza 1 a couple years ago and haven't looked back. The inclusion of damage modeling, visible car customizations/add-ons/paint-jobs and online racing pretty much sold it for me. At the time, Forza 1's sound engine was also light years ahead of GT3/4...ya know, V8 engines actually sounded like V8 engines, using real V8 sound samples. Furthermore, Forza series has always had a better, or at least more tactile, more realistic-feeling, friction/tire/traction model.

To me, these things add up to a better game, despite GT series likely having a bit more spit and polish in the end and a bunch more cars.

forza 2 sucks gt5 is the best

Fanboy-ism, FTMFW!!!

the car detail and shadows look real on left but last pic on left looks fake it just looks like a polished box with wheels

gt5 developer never said dat forza 2 has more features than gt5

comparing a "demo a demo" to a full game lol and GT5 prologue demo still look more real

I have both games and after laying GT5P for two days it beats F2 hands down in everything. Looks, car and track detail, framerate ... and most importantly, car physics. F2 cars seem to have massive understeer, do not perform the way I believe a race car should, even street cars are lacking in realism. I think F2 tries to do too much on the 360, which hurt it. In replay mode, GT5P rules. In F2, every lap has the same shots, so nce you've seen on e lap, you've seen the whole race. GT5P is more like a TV broadcast and great camera angles and music. All in all, GT5P is the best ... thisd from a hardcore racing fan. BTW, great job with the pics.

For starters the GT5 Prologue max resolution is 1280x1080p with(2x AA)not Full HD (1920x1080p)Forza 2's resolution is a bit lower with 1280x720p without any AA during the race and with 4AA on replays, Both games run at 60fps.

Now with that said obviously GT 5 is going to have a sharper image not worlds apart just a bit sharper, also the cars on GT seem to use more polygons than on Forza 2 on the other hand you can clearly see from this images that the track and road textures are more detailed on forza 2 as wee as the lighting and shadow, you can easily see on the 4th images from the top that the trees are a lot better on forza use leaves (or some sort of leaves simulpation)that give a more realistic and transparent look to it probably more demanding on the hardware too.

Both are great games and forza is over 6 months old.

Are you all crazy the tge gt5 game looks fake as hell.It makes me laugh at how that gt5 car looks like a pile of tin.The forza game looks much more realistic if you cant see that your fanboy blind.

Just idiots with certain game consoles battling it out.Let me give it to you like this.

I own neither console i own a high end pc i game on and the forza 2 game has better lighting and track detail and the cars dont shine like a piece of chrome painted metal.My real car thats silver doesnt shine like that in the sun.That gt5 game takes cheddar and overdone to a whole new level.And from other comments i hear you cant do as much as you can to the cars in forza so what good is gt5 if all you can do is race.Thats preety pathetic if thats supposed to be a hammer to forza 2.

Personally I enjoy the car physics in the gt5 prologue more than forza 2. when I first played forza 2 I liked it, but other than the car damage there was nothing else I really liked about it that beat gt5. I think its all down to personal choice, graphically both games look great and the only thing that sets them apart is car physics.

oh yea and a little side note. The reason gt5's replays are only 30 fps if u didn't already kno is because various filter effects are used to make it look better. Which it does.

well, this is the first time I've written my opinion about anything like this, and I have to say that my heart was with the playstation and the first version of GT, then out came GT2. Playstation 2 came out and yes I accumulated GT3, GT4 Prologue and then GT4 when it finally arrived. I jumped ship to the xbox 360 camp after the price wars yadda yadda and bang for buck seemed to be the xbox 360. Now after playing Forza 2 I have to ask myself, why has it only taken the 2nd iteration of Forza to deliver what I have been looking for in a racing sim? It seemed I had gone through 4 versions of Gran Turismo without actually doing what I wanted to with a car. The upgrades are more indepth, the custom paint/vinyls is like unearthing a beast when it comes to dressing up your ride. Rims galore, and then there is the online component. Now don't get me wrong, if GT5 is all that is cracked up to be then I will give it a fair go and it might actually make me buy a PS3. I guess what I am getting at is that FM2 has done what I have always wanted with GT, and now Polyphony are playing catch up. If they don't get it right this time then where do we go?

see what happens eh?

if younlook at the photo's of gt5 they have much more better shadowing and light effects

Yeah, butt if younlook at the photo's of forza2 they have much more better than shadowing and lightning affects

wtf forza 2 looks way better here than on my 1080p tv???

I also own both a ps3 and a 360, i must say that the controls and the game play for forza are much better than GT3 prologue. Although on the graphics front, ps3 is better for the cars, but the scenery aint as good, and forza 2 is much better all round.

As for the guy with the 180p tv, he prob has the wrong settings on his 360.

And as i said, all about ace game play, the graphics just help, and are fucking amazing to watch.

poor 360, 2008 end of his life.

I think that both games look simillar.

To be honest I think GT5's gameplay expecially online will not be as good, just for the sheer fact that Xbox has a quality online community.

I also believe that once the real GT5 comes out, Forza 3 will be out in a few months

gt5 has great track detail and lightning effects forza 2 dont have that plus forza 2 track looks sort of fake

I also own both the 360 and the PS3. The playstation in my eyes looks better however only in 720p. 1080i (best my current tv can do) looks awfull due to the jaggies.

There very different games though, Forza is ultra realism with regards to the physics engine. However GT5 is more an arcade gameplay with simulation story etc. Im getting a bit annoyed with people taking corners faster than me by going in too fast.. bouncing off the barrier and carrying on with no downside to hitting obstacles! Still though i like how you get a feel for braking when the front of the car dips.

To the person who said this is just a demo.... When you release a game with 5 tracks and XX cars for the price of £20 that is a game not a demo. Demo's are free and games are not.

Looking forward to GT5 when its released (when is that?) and forza 3!

Better grafic on GT5? Could be, I have booth, played on 720p and i found GT5 Prologue not specialy. For me is Forza 2 much more better then GT5 Prologue. Better Gameplay, more cars, more tracks. Today the 360 has the gold medail, because much more exklusiv and more good titles are avaible. The good titles for the PS3 can counted by one hand!

PS: sorry for my bad english.

I have played both and GT5 is the clear winner. Everything is photorealistic and the handling is spot on. Use a decent steering wheel and it's scary how real it feels. The in car view is breathtaking, especially how the g-force affects the camera angle. Can't wait for the crash damage update in f the fall.... Game over Forza.

obviously GT5P pawns -.- Its no. 1 in Europe atm, that should be enough..

and comparing a DEMO(ish) to a full game, LOL

oh, note: The Demo>Forza... wow thats gotta scare them good (xbox fanboys)

Dont mistake being popular as being good. Meet the spartans was a box office smash despite being one crap production.

its not a demo. The demo is online. it costs money ffs, its a game.

I own both consoles and both games using a Philips Aurea 42".

A couple of posters said it’s unfair to compare the two due to the fact that F2 is older, I disagree because these are the 2 best racing simulations available and are on competing consoles.
Though GT5P does have the advantage of youth!

GT5P looks better, if you had both you would agree – this is a fact. They both play differently but equally brilliant. I can not say what it is like to go around a hairpin in a Ferrari so I’m no judge of which one is more realistic, as I said they both play differently but equally brilliant.

There are two reasons why I pick F2, 1: damage and 2: audio.

Not that they are brilliant in F2, it’s just that they’re really bad in GT5P.
GT5P looks the more realistic than F2 but when I collide with another car without a scratch it completely ruins the simulation experience. And the audio/screeching is even worse.

When the full GT is out, then a comparison can be established.
Otherwise both look equally good.
I like how they both have different lighting angles.

Prologue is a work in progress, everyone knows that and with the PS3 flopping like a dieing fish out of water, all the PS3 fanboys flock together for warmth in anticipation of the even colder months ahead... Prologue is the small fire made out of sticks, which they all warm their hands over. But what else will they use to keep the PS3 flame burning when their expensive demo loses its shine? Hmmm... Remember, back before the Playstation3 was released there was no doubt in most peoples minds that Sony had something special, its cell chip. Fast forward to the present day and you have absolutely no evidence to suggest its going to live up to its supposed hype. Both online and off. Iam well aware that it is hard to develop for the chip and that has scared most developers away but since its release there are no huge advantages compared to the 360's 3 core solution. As a matter of fact most games look arguably better on the 360 (not necessarily because of the cores since most games dont even utilise 2), possibly because they are developed on that console first then ported (or something of a similar nature, however cross-platforming is implemented).
The reason Sony pushed its console out when it did, with literally nothing decent to show for it, many months in, was to win the new format war -> HD/DVD vs Blu-Ray. As we all know Blu-Ray won. Fair enough, from a business stand point thats commendable. But in essence were talking about games here. Im not interested in buying films, nor am i interested in seeing them in a slighty crisper format. GAMES CONSOLE. Look at those 2 words... Okay, moving on... The only good that can come of it is the increased size of the DVD. But morally forcing a new format on people is wrong since many of you didnt have the choice. You automatically inherited a glorified blu-ray player that hasnt got a game catologue good enough to prove its hardware advantage.

Here is a quote: (taken from notepad so copy and paste some of it into google with " at either end if you want to find the source)


--"Being a video game developer (I develop for both, Playstation 3 and XBOX 360) people ask me almost daily which platform I think is better. These are my personal feelings, in no way does this reflect my employer.

Performance: On paper, the PS3 is more powerful. In reality, it's quite inferior to the 360. Without getting into too many details, the three general-purpose CPU's the xbox360 has are currently FAR easier to take advantage of than the SPU's on the PS3. I suspect a few years down the road some high budget, first party PS3 exclusive titles will come out that really take advantage of the SPU's and do things the XBOX 360 can't, but I don't think the console is worth buying based on this speculation (for some it will be though, we'll have to wait and see how these games turn out).

Graphics: The XBOX 360 is a clear winner. The GPU is more powerful. It has more powerful fillrate, and far more pixel and vertex processing horsepower. Part of the reason is their choice of memory, and architecture of pixel and vertex procesing. I can't get into details but the same vertex shader will run much slower on the PS3 than the XBOX 360. The 360 also has a clever new way rendering high definition anti aliased back buffers. To accomplish the same effect on PS3 is prohibitively expensive. For this reason I think many games will have no choice but to run in non-HD resolutions on the PS3 version, use a lower quality anti aliasing technique, or do back buffer upscaling. The end result in all cases is going to be noticeably worse image quality."


Here is a quote that sums up Sony quite well:

"--synack posted on ps3fanboy.com:
Seems there are a lot of devout Sony fans, for whatever reason who keep whining about the "Anti-Sony fad".

Are you serious?

It's not a fad, it's fact:

* Sony blew the PS3 launch.
* The unit is exorbitantly overpriced for allegedly superior hardware that is not all that impressive so far.
* The launch lineup was terrible.
* It's blatantly obvious that the Blu-Ray is just another ploy by Sony to get ANOTHER of their proprietary formats into your living room. *cough UMD*

Come on. These are FACTS. This is not a fad. Sony screwed up big time."

Oh and in terms of comparisons between Prologue and Forza2, heh, cmon, Car damage, online, Paint customisation etc. If you want to delve deeper than you can, for instance no one here mentioned that forza might run at 60fps but its physics run separately at 360fps. Doesnt that take the biscuit for realism? Oh i forgot, PS3 fanboys suffer from blind faith.

Heres a quote from Dan Greenwalt, Turn 10's Game Director of Forza 2.

"We run our framerate at 60 frames per second, which is very important. Its very smooth. And it looks very nice but that has no effect on physics. What has an effect on physics is the physics update rate. We run our physics update rate as fast as 360 frames per second. Theres a reason for that. If you update at 60 frames per second and your going a hundred miles an hour you might clear 10 feet in the time between the physics updated. So phsyics updated, ten feet later, physics updates again. In ten feet you can go over all sorts of bumps and all sorts of crap on the road. And that's gonna cause instability in your car. So if you do run your phsyics that slow, you have to run all these buffers on your car to keep it from driving right, frankly. It makes the car kind of drive slow and lethargic and when you run into walls they dont spin they just kind of "dong." For us, thats not how we wanted the physics to be, and then once we jumped over that bridge and were like, ok, its 360 frames per second for the phsyics, this track was the obvious choice to show it off because there are so many bumps to get it right you have to run your update rate that fast."

Can Prologue beat forza for customisation both in and out of the car (decals vs. tuning). No and No. Why? Because you cant do the first, and the latter doesnt provide (as) such a robust physics system.

Again and again PS3 Fanboys clutch at straws.

Enjoy your expensive 6 track demo and your new amazing looking Blu-Ray movies (ever heard of a placebo effect?)while you can because when it dawns on you that your 600 bean system isn't being developed for anymore you might find the only shoulder to cry on is microsofts... Dont worry the ergonomics of the 360 joypad should handle your tears with the greatest of ease...

Keep in mind that you are comparing a game which are going to be released in what? late 2008 or early 2009, against a game thats already been released, a YEAR ago. As most of you people know, lots can happen in that amount of time when it comes to graphics. If GT5p are beeing compared against Forza2 now, whats going to happen when GT5 goes gold and Forza 3 are beeing developed? IMO both games are awesome but id have to stick to F2 just because the fact of it beeing old and still blowing most games away. Lets just see what GRID can do in the end of June this year. Wouldnt be surprised if it looks and runs smoother than GT5.

Who are you fuggin' people saying Forza 2 looks better? GT5 has better, lighting, better ground textures, better car models, and more realistic looking sky and backgrounds! Stop lying to yourselves. YOU KNOW GT5 looks better.

Geez, look at the last too pictures and look at the crappy ground textures and background on Forza. Look at the better reflections in GT5 on the car. Look at the detail on the front of the car in GT5 vs. Fartza. Look at the reflection of the sky on the car in GT5. Look at the lack of clouds in Forza. Look at the better grass detail in GT5. The jaggie trees in Forza. Look at the directional lighting in GT5 vs. Forza's flat lighting.

GT5 looks BETTER IN EVERY SINGLE WAY.

I think the graphics on Gran Turismo Pro look so much better than Forza 2, i own both, but people seem to forget that Forza is almost 2 years old and its in 1080i, I think if Forza 3 were to come out it would have exact same graphics as GT Pro. both brilliant games however.

both games look awesome but ur comparing a 2 year old game 2 a demo wait til the full gt5 and the forza 3 comes out then we'll no wots best ps. does any1 no if gt5 will have custom paintjobs like forza 2

the shading on gt5 is better than forza and the cart wheel on screenshot 2 is clearer on gt5

The ferris wheel is clearer in GT5 because the car is closer to it than the one in Forza. Check out the red and white striped wall barricade right next to the car in GT5 compared with it 50-100ft away from the car in Forza.

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GT5 looks good, but the track is obviously a lot less detailed.

Shadows are poor in GTS 5. In real-life, shadows are soft, not black, although many ppl are used to modern Point and Shoot cameras which have limited dynamic range and think that is how things should look. perhaps at high speed tho this is not such a problem.

I do think the GT5 road is a lot better. Seems Polyphonic have concentrated on making the centre of the screen which ppl mostly look at (ie car and tarmac) as good as possible.

The GT5 car looks a little more detailed to be honest, but the Forza 2 car is still very nice.

Having not played GT5 I can't compare physics, but it will have to be pretty amazing to better Forza 2 (esp. with all the assists off).

I think GT5 will be ANOTHER great game, as Forza 2 is, irrespective of platform, but I must admit, I enjoy decalling/detailing my cars, swapping drive-trains and doing all kinds of crazy mods.

Finally, if Polyphonic are charging for the prologue, then it is a game, not a demo. GT5 itself is another game, extending on GT5 prologue. Imagine if Forza 2.5 came out, what would ppl be saying then? Is it an add-on? Another argument. $$$ = finished product of some sort or if it is unfinished, and you are paying good money for it, what does that say about you?

GT5 easy! I remeber playing Forza 2 on my shit 360 it lacked AA big time.

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